A short early conversation between Pinchbeck and a guest he addresses as Sarah Beth, who describes years spent studying abduction testimony and alleged government contact with extraterrestrials. She lays out a three-tier model of government in which elected officials are figureheads, a second tier runs black operations and currency, and a third tier deals directly with extraterrestrials on terms that make conventional categories of good and evil hard to apply. Pinchbeck pushes on the imagination's role, invoking William Blake's claim that imagination is human existence itself rather than a mental state, and asks whether human imagining participates in constructing these entities. The talk moves through lunar anomalies, the reported biology of the grays, and Guy McPherson's methane-driven near-term extinction thesis.
Guest: Sarah Beth
In brief
- The guest argues that a hidden third tier of government interfaces with extraterrestrials daily and operates outside the comprehension of both elected officials and the black-operations layer beneath it.
- She suggests that deals struck by the United States government have involved trading human DNA, and compares the relationship to how humans keep cattle healthy for their own use.
- She treats the moon's apparent size matching the sun's and its tidally locked rotation as statistically improbable, and entertains the idea of a base on the far side.
- Pinchbeck raises William Blake on imagination and asks whether human consciousness is participating in producing or reifying the entities being reported; the guest agrees that perception of any entity outside the self runs through consciousness and imagination.
- Pinchbeck cites Guy McPherson's prediction of runaway methane release and near-term human extinction, and asks whether such a moment could instead be a transition to another level of psychic reality.
- Pinchbeck suggests the entities may correspond to what the Gnostics called archons rather than to physical species.
Full text
Welcome to the pinch and today we are going to have a little chat about those weird entities in other dimensions or other spaces or other times and places that sometimes people call aliens. I know that Sarah spent a lot of her life thinking about aliens, dreaming about aliens, imagining aliens, talking to aliens. I don't know. So tell me what is some of your ideas? What's happening with aliens right now? Which aliens do you mean? It's like I get a little bit overwhelmed at this point. Well, are there like are there like different levels of galactic overlords who are guiding human existence? Okay. I've spent a lot of time looking into this stuff and listening to hours and hours of people's testimonies of being repeatedly abducted and delving into the government connections with extraterrestrials and all this stuff.
And it's just got to the point where there's so much going on that there's evidence of out there. if you're interested to look for it. There's such a spectrum. So, do you think like the US government has met with different alien races and species and so on? There's been like technology transfers and there's like underground bases where like they've got captured aliens or aliens hanging out. What I think is that there are, you can look at it this way, there are three tiers of government. The first tier of government are the elected officials and stuff and they're like, you know, puppets basically. And then you have the second tier of government and that's where you have your black operations, people probably that control the currency and all that stuff.
And one thing that defines them is their belief that they're running everything because they have control over the first tier of government. They place them and whatever. And then you have the third tier of government and these individuals are interfacing with extraterrestrials on a daily basis. They're operating on a level that is so far above and disconnected from the second tier of government that we actually being not directly involved with it probably don't have much of a comprehension of where they're coming from. And I have a feeling that due to the nature of some of the civilizations that they're interfacing with that there that our idea of good and evil and right and wrong kind of crumbles down in the face of it.
I mean, for instance, we want our cattle to be healthy because we use them for food and milk and stuff. And I think that there are some that are the deals that the United States government has made with the extraterrestrials have made it so that they're trading in some of our DNA. Whatever. Okay. Um, do you want to ask me more specific questions or I could because I could just go on and on and on about it. Um, yeah. No, I mean I was still interested. I mean, um, so tell me about like is the moon like an artificial alien base? I mean, some people have noted that like the sun is 93 miles away, the moon is only like 12,000 miles away.
They're exactly the same size in the sky. Yeah, the chances are pretty low. And so what is what is that about? Apparently like the statistical probability that that that this a the moon would be exactly appear to be exactly the same size from our perspective as the sun and the fact that it rotates at the exact same rate that it revolves making it so that we only ever see one side of it is statistically beyond highly unlikely. And it's looks like there's a military I mean an alien city or some kind of base on the other side. I've also heard and then you had Michael Sarian's ideas, right?
That like those evil aliens who crash landed then created the races then there was like a blockage there so they couldn't get past the atmosphere. Yeah, I've heard all about that too. It's it's probably all true. You I'm very open-minded and that's why I keep learning. I So what what is the I mean what part does the human imagination play in all of this? I mean in a way is like William Blake talked about how the imagination is not a state, it's the human existence in itself. Are we come somehow as we as we enter into our you know kind of imaginings around these aliens are we somehow constructing or or or reifying?
I think we're I think yes I think we're directly participating in it and I think that we are connected to them or whatever it is whatever we perceive as any entity outside of ourselves through our conscious and consciousness and imagination. It seems to me that the whole of all of what we call reality may just be one grand illusion anyway and that we're all one being experiencing self in perpetuity. I mean there are some theories by um ecologists e you know scientists um like Guy Mc Fersonen actually believes that um we've already you know flipped the switch in terms of climate change is accelerating so rapidly that a huge amount of methane is going to erupt in the next decades it's going to basically annihilate uh human existence uh in one giant fart pretty much by 2035 according to comic well there's been lots of prognostications of doom over the years but do you think that also something like that was to be the case and of course I don't know if it is um it could be that moment of where we make some kind of cosmic leap like a transmutation to another level of psychic reality or something like that. Yes, I think so. I think it's all possible.
And I do also perceive that a that planets are not permanent and that if we want to continue passing our genetic information on down through the physical world eventually as a civilization eventually you will eventually sorry I say that too many times will have to leave your home planet just like you fly the coupe as a bird. Right. Well even even you know suns and universes are not permanent. They all they all disappear spin in and out of existence. Word on the street about the biological grays, not their semibiological, shorter automatons that perform tasks is that they're so old that they survived the last heat death of the universe by somehow managing to temporarily escape the space-time continuum.
And that they've been involved in so many wars and had to hide underground for long periods of time. They all became test tube babies and their DNA is stagnant. I went on a tangent again. Yeah. Well, um, I mean, some people would say that they could be a form of like what gnostics talk about as like the archons or the kind of beings that you find in the Dead Sea Scrolls. But hey, I think that's enough for today. Thank you so much, Sarah Beth. More about aliens to come.
Automatic transcript, lightly edited for readability. Originally published on the Liminal News channel.